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Thanks for the info, your becoming more a activist than a GOP etc Pundit but lobbying the lege wont work as good as the courts because lobby is based influence but courts are not based on status, power or influence but rights [at least thats the great hope etc eg law knows no top or no bottom]. And while you mentioned something illegal may be going on, I didn't see it, unless it is re maybe 'terminate contract that out-performs issue'...i'll plug it in.

David
Nice work here. I have been the primary author of many responses to RFPs over the last 5 or so years. The conditions you describe are not unheard of (unfortunately), but wrong none the less.

You are exactly correct regarding the value to a bidder of being able to "guide" or "shape" the RFP or RFQ. I have seen a few in my day where I knew what was going on and chose not to bid.

Great job David!! Makes me want to ask the question, just how many similar situations are out there with our benevolent City Council?

David,
Good analysis and I would urge my rep to read your blog, but, unfortunately, my rep is Ann Lilly and you know she would be unable to follow your logic. Much less have the cojones to do anything about the situation.

Here is some near case law...and going by other case law and the close nexus of city emergency services re narrow exception...I am not sure this contract has to be held to full Commerence Clause and competive bid tests, maybe but as far as courting interests re biz and gov, I think a certain amount of wine and dine is expected and allowed re seeking biz with gov...bribes no, I am not sure there is anything illegal here, and I am kinda surprised David as a unfettered Capitalist finds alleged facts here alarming, it seems rather commonplace and while it may smell, its exactly why i try to be less of a capitalist personally. If the contract had to be competitive and one can prove a mistake eg that cost is actually more than terminated contract then maybe there is a case...[See Nationwide case below] but from reading David K story it seems there may be a debate re if the new contract will actually cost more...ive seen some creative accounting and numbers for taxes and loans in past re numbers games...again capitalism to be expected and David is alarmed?

In Mariano and Assocs. v. Sublette Cty. Com'rs., 737 P.2d 323. An accounting firm contracted to perform auditing services for Sublette County, for two fiscal years ending June 30. In March, 1985, one of the members of the firm left and approached county officials about obtaining the 1985 auditing contract for himself at a lower cost to the county. The county accepted the offer and terminated the first contract. In finding that the first contract was voidable, the Supreme Court summarized the rule.

Nationwide Roofing & Sheet Metal Co. v. United States, No. 187-87C, UNITED
STATES CLAIMS COURT, 14 Cl. Ct. 733; 1988 U.S. Cl. Ct. LEXIS 83; 34 Cont. Cas.
Fed. (CCH) P75,491, May 13, 1988 The doctrine of termination for convenience
enables the government, under certain circumstances, to terminate a contract
that is no longer in the government's interest. See, e.g., United States v.
Corliss Steam-Engine Co., 91 U.S. (1 Otto) 321, 23 L. Ed. 397 (1876); see also
Moss & Gantt, A Steam Engine and Contract Termination Settlement Procedure, 8
Pub. Cont. L.J. 188 (1976). In the instant case, the language giving the
Government the right to terminate is brief and very broad: The Government may
terminate performance of work under this contract in whole [**5] or, from time
to time, in part if the Contracting Officer determines that a termination is in
the Government's interest. 48 C.F.R. 52.249-2 (1984). While this language is
broad, the courts have consistently recognized limitations on the government's
right to invoke this extraordinary doctrine. In Torncello v. United States, 231
Ct. Cl. 20, 681 F.2d756 (1982), HN2the Court of Claims limited the application
of the termination for convenience clause to those instances involving "changed
circumstances." Torncello involved a requirements contract in which the
termination for convenience clause was used to take advantage of another firm's
lower price, which the government had known about when awarding the contract to
the contractor. The court held for the contractor and went on to state that "the
government may not use the standard termination for convenience clause to
dishonor, with impunity, its contractual obligations." Id. at 47, 681 F.2dat
772. The court continued: "We cannot condone termination based on knowledge of a
lower cost when that knowledge preceded award of the contract." Id. at 49, 681
F.2dat 772. The gravamen of the court's reasoning was that without [**6]
requiring changed circumstances, the government's use of the clause was so
exculpatory that its contract would fail for lack of consideration. Id. at 44,
681 F.2dat 770. In setting forth the limits on the use of the termination for
convenience clause, the court in Torncello cites with approval a line of cases
illustrating the requirement for a change in circumstances or expectations of
the parties. Id. at 36-37, 681 F.2dat 766. Among the cases cited are several in
which contracting officials believed that [*736] as a result of a protest
subsequent to award of the contract, the award had been improper. Accordingly,
the contracting officials took corrective action that the court held entitled
the terminated awardee to recover damages based on a termination for
convenience.

just a question dave. with all the government jobs we have in el paso(city,county,state, border, homeland security, hell all the fed agencies and the school districts(episd is the largest employer in el paso))and im assuming that is over 50 percent of the jobs in el paso that most of these employees would have good insurance coverage. now including those gov people with the private sector who have insurance, if their insurance pays the ambulance fee, then shouldn't it be reasonable to think that 50 percent of the bills could be collected quite easily? i can understand the thomason fees being tough to collect, but not the rest. hell, even make the drug lords being brought over from juarez pay 10 times the amount along with the mothers trying to get their anchor babies delivered at thomason due to emergency in the line coming across. oh yeah, almost forgot, c.o.d..

i just asking wouldnt you think 50 percent collection would be easy ?
the new company only guarantees 27 percent ? are they pocketing the ones who pay cash ?

almost forgot, never should a fire chief be put in charge of something that deals with business or accounting. i doubt drozd knows what a general ledger is or a debit or a credit.

Chuck,

As a person fighting those fees I can tell you it probably is not easy to collect those fees. This is what happened to me.

The city is charging my family $680.00 for a non-emergency ambulance ride from loretto academy to sierra on medical center. (Note that first we called one of those non-emergency ambulance companies cuz they are way cheaper, but their dispatcher said that all ambulance calls must be made through 911 and then those dispatchers patch them through to them. So the city can still get their cut). Blue Cross Blue Shield informed us that they will not be paying this bill because it is an outrageous fee and suggested to us not to pay it either, so we're not.

So they probably have a lot of collections they need to pick up because of this.

David,

Great article!

What's up with the "cut and paste guy"? Can't you just post a link? Why should I have to scroll through crap that nobody ends up reading?

If what you have uncovered is true, and I don't doubt it, then it is just another example of how out of control the City Council is. Not from a standpoint of radical activism on behalf of a constituency that doesn't desire it, but from a standpoint of pure incompetence. A previous post has it correct, if these bozos can be hoodwinked by the staff on this, what else in the past has Joyce Wilson and her merry band of manipulaters put past the City Council. Can you say Strom Water Utility?

OK, El Paso Times, El Paso Inc, Texas Tribune, Eliot Shapliegh, KVIA, KTSM, KFOX, and all the talking heads over at KHRO....apply the heat on behalf of the taxpayers. Here is a clear example of getting the rotten government we deserve. Let's change it.

Are you listening FBI? Is bid rigging illegal?

And, one more thing, the Fire Department Chief at the very least should be handed his walking papers right now!

eric, all medical(whether it be doctors,sierra medical, imaging or whomever) all try to overcharge if they can get away with it. its the nature of the medical business due to medicare(which doesnt pay chit) and the indigent(which doesnt pay chit). its called cost averaging. see what blue cross recommends and then offer that in cash and then see if you can get a refund from blue cross. its done everyday.

your friend,

case law usually does not have a link, comes from a database.

eric, i wonder if anyone ever thought of making the ambulance service have a ppo agreement with most of the insurances and hospitals ?
nah. that would take too much common sense from our council.

Once Mr. Johnson left Purchasing went downhill. I called yesterday on an item that they were spending nearly $300,000 on and asked for the details. They had no details and was informed I would have to wait till council met. Thirty minutes later with legal involved I got a straight answer.

The problem with private insurance companies is that the city would have to negotiate a contract with each and every insurance company. When a provider contracts with an insurance company they reduce the billable amount to the contracted amount. The insurance will then pay a portion of that "allowable" amount leaving a balance for the patient or seconday insurance.

All healthcare providers charge more than what Medicare allows because it's really the only way that Medicare or other companies will increase how much they pay out. The ones that get hurt in this process are the uninsured.

If you think the costs of the Ambulance ride are too hide note that the prices were recently approved for a price increase by City Council starting in September.

Great job on tracking down the details on this. I really wish this were unusual, but there's a darned good reason we don't bid on City, County or School District jobs. Every job we've been invited to bid on, already has a winner before the RFP is issued. We learned long ago that we were wasting valuable company time trying to get "government work". Government agencies are welcome to purchase services from us based on our published rate cards (which the do). I'd rather spend my time making good deals for our private clients who are more interested in quality work completed on time and on budget than dealing with the insanity of our local bureaucracy.

kevin. thats not that many insurance companies. with the largest employers in el paso being government you dont have that many. aetna runs the city,psb, and epwu. im not sure about the school districts but all of these would be easy to find out. blue cross would definitely be another.

I agree wholeheartedly with Peggy. We don't bid on Government work because at the end of the day they don't concern themselves with a quality product. They are only concerned about the lowest bidder and getting the contract to their pre-ordained "winner".

I am glad that you wrote this and created an awareness of this legal corruption. I am outraged and have calleb my city rep.

I would like to invite the people in this blog to attend a tribute to Mr. Ray Gilbert.

January 19, 2011
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El Paso, Texas 79924

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