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I tend to agree one can shout vote for John Doe in church. No doubt Brown has a right to petition especially since the recall is not tied to a candidate election. As to gathering signers on church property and PAC question that part seems grayer, the DA most likely has enough PC to make a inquiry but like you said he has not on many issues he did not pursue, no doubt he could have left issue alone feeling IRS had jurisdiction. No doubt the God Far Right will rally behind Brown and find Brown a attorney. While there may be something to the PAC question, there is a scotus case that says one need not be a registar voter to gather petition signers, which seems to support idea that Brown can gather signers on church property. The case will turn on how a petition recall differs from a candidate election.

You are wrong on this, David (and no, I am not a Democrat). Yes, it is odd that Esparza is doing anything considering his record, but Brown has stepped over the line. Wish we could recall his snake oil salesman a%% out of El Paso.

And by the way, I AM Catholic and the Church has NEVER told me who to vote for.

Diana - you must go to a different catholic church than me. I have heard political speech at Queen of Peace and St. Matthews catholic churches on the westside - St. Patrick's has skirted the edges of political speech during Mass. I have heard a priest say "don't vote for political candidates that believe in abortion" - even brought in a visiting priest to ask the parishoners to sign a card asking Congress to restrict abortions. I have heard a priest rail on Nancy Pelosi from the pulpit and he wasn't saying nice things about her (and I am not a Pelosi fan). EPISO is all catholic and all political hiding under a non profit that allows political speech - mark my words it is bought and paid for by the local El Paso Diocese. If there is one religion in this town that wears its politics on its sleeve it is the Catholic Church. Pastor Brown can't even compete with that group when it comes to pushing a political agenda. And no, I'm not a fan of Pastor Brown either.

When I read the article about DA's investigation to Pastor Brown, I about keeled over with laughter...is this the same man who was located in the same building where obvious shenanigans has been occurring above and below his floor?? Is this the same man whose 80% of the Judiciary has family working at the courthouse and opted to go after Arditti and then dump the Barraza case when his ADA's lost the Arditti trial?

It would have nothing to do with the fact that Judge Moody and Mayor Cook are in-laws by way of their children, would it???

Either way Mr. Esparza' has nothing to lose...his career is done and Caballero may just be looking pretty the next time around.

Also, in all my years of being a voter and citizen of El Paso, I can't help but be impressed that the majority of letter writers still dont appreciate Cook's "override" of the vote, perhaps it is because his City Attorney may have benefited from this passage? I as a voter did not vote for it, but only because my live in partner of 7 years still cannot be insured and i am considering dumping him for another woman...these insurance claims are killing me..

Diana,

I took part in a candidate forum in a catholic church when I ran for County Commissioner. That is much closer to the line than anything the pastor is doing.

Hey David K, thanks for your very interesting and enteraining comments.

Old Pastor Brown sure has these people scared. Guess that's way they are working so hard to discredit him.

So thanks again for the interesting your comments.

David, look at the law. A church can hold a candidate forum if ALL candidates are invited. Nothing wrong with that.

Old Fart, Tom Brown is scary but not for the reason you think. He is scary for his hatred that he masks with God.

So all the conservatives that dislike Mormon candidates - are they in the same league as Brown's hatred he masks with God? Face it - many, many Protestants and Catholics cannot abide electing anyone to office that is a Mormon - especially for President. How is that different than Brown's push for "family values"?

Diana,

Pastor Brown hasn't had a forum where invited one candidate and not the other. In fact, he can't have a forum because a petition can not speak. And in the run-off the Mayor has no opponent other than himself, so the fairness in time doesn't apply.

I do this for living Diana, I'm telling you he's doing nothing wrong. And the forum I went to nothing was done wrong by law. However, there were people passing out campaign literature that were members of the clergy and they weren't passing out everyone's.

catholic too, I do not know how you were brought up, but I have attended Catholic Churches in several cities where I lived and NEVER was another religion mocked or knocked down nor have we ever been told not to vote for Mormons or Protestants or anyone else.

DavidK, he allowed his wife to announce her candidacy from the pulpit. No one else was given the same opportunity. That is against the law.

If what you are saying is true, you should have filed a complaint. I have NEVER been to a Church that allowed this.

Diana - I didn't say that the catholic church itself mocked or knocked down the Mormon religion - I am relating what I hear from "christians" when the subject of certain candidates comes up or for that matter-certain cable talk show people (Glen Beck). There is a dislike among so called Christians of Mormons. Been there for years and years. Just questioning where their "christian values" are when they are intolerant of a different belief system.

Does anyone have it on tape showing Pastor Brown's wife announcing her run for council at the pulpit? Was it a scheduled church service - or just a meeting held in the church. Big difference. Lots of churches allow public type meetings to be held in the church sanctuary and they are not tied to a regularly scheduled church service - so no harm no foul in that scenario.

Must be who you hang around because I have NEVER heard anyone knock a candidate based on religion. No tape needed. He admitted that she announced during their service. It was her "calling from God".

Hi David,
As interesting as this all seems,El Paso is not mad enough at Cook to enter into a recall election. Brown has a vocal group but small in numbers compared to those who will make the difference. You're right about Cook simply playing the other side by casting the deciding vote on restoring benefits. Deep down I don't think he approves of alternative lifestyles but at the same time he believes we are all God's children. Esparza is a thug with a suit and tie. He does what he wants and keeps it all in a tight circle. Once again there will be no recall, no third term and we are left with is a waste of time over a decision to help all of God's children.

DavidK,
Apparently Pastor Brown took your advice and KVIA embarassed itself again by burying it under "HOTBUTTON"

http://www.kvia.com/hotbutton/28919734/detail.html
Places To Sign City Council Recall Petitions
Pastor Brown And Lawyers To Hold News Conference
POSTED: 3:21 pm MDT August 19, 2011

EL PASO, Texas -- Pastor Tom Brown's lawyers, Stuart Leeds and Teresa Caballero, said that the district attorney's investigation into Brown is politically motivated and is intended to intimidate the churches from participating in the efforts to recall Mayor John Cook and city representatives Susie Byrd and Steve Ortega. The group will have a news conference at 1 p.m. Saturday Memorial Park.

Registered voters will get an opportunity to sign the recall petition in multiple locations throughout the city from 7 a.m. to noon Saturday.

Petitions to recall Cook and District 2 City Rep. Susie Byrd will be available at:
•Precinct 58: Park Elementary School, 3601 Edgar Park R
•Precinct 59: Nolan Richardson Recreation Center 4435 Maxwell
•Precinct 60: Magoffin Middle School 4931 Hercules Ave.
•Precinct 61: Stanton Elementary School 5414 Hondo Pass Dr.
•Precinct 62: Logan Elementary 3200 Ellerthorpe Ave.
•Precinct 63: Burnet Elementary 3700 Thomason Ave.
•Precinct 64: Travis Elementary School 5000 N. Stevens St.
•Precinct 65: Kathy White Housing Complex 2500 Mobile Ave.
•Precinct 66: Sacramento Senior Citizen Center 3134 Jefferson Ave.
•Precinct 67: Fire Station # 12 3801 Fort Blvd.
•Precinct 68: Paul C. Moreno Elementary School 2300 San Diego
•Precinct 69: Memorial Park Senior Citizen 1800 Byron St.
•Precinct 70: Austin High School 3500 Memphis Ave.
•Precinct 71: Coldwell Intermediate 4101 Altura Ave.
•Precinct 72: Fire Station #7. 3200 Pershing Dr.
•Precinct 73: Vista New Life Church 4700 Leeds St.
•Precincts 74 and 75: Fire Station #13 5415 Trowbridge Dr.
•Precinct 76: Chelsea Plaza Housing, 600 Chelsea St. Grandview Park, 3100 Jefferson Avenue Nations Tobin Park, 8831 Railroad Drive

Petitions to recall Cook and District 7 City Rep. Steve Ortega will be available at:
•Album Park, 3001 Parkwood Street
•Blackie Chesher Park, 9144 Escobar
•Caistrano Park, 8700 Padilla Dr
•E.L. Willams Park, 752 Lafayette Drive
•Lomaland Park, 715 Lomita Dr.
•Marian Manor Park, 8343 Clifford Ct.
•Marty Robbins Park, 11600 Vista Del Sol,
•Reese McCord Park, 1900 Trawood Dr.
•San Jacinto Plaza, 111 E Mills Ave
•Thomas Manor Park, 7901 Knights Dr.
•Travis White Park, 1700 Wedgewood Drive
•Yucca N 7975, Williamette Ave.

Sign petitions to recall Cook on the West Side from 10 a.m. to noon Saturday at:
•Crestmont Park, 512 Chermont Dr. (Sunland Park Dr. & Ridgemont)

The following locations continue to provide an opportunity to sign the recall petition during their regularly scheduled hours of operation during the week:

•Word of Life Church, 11675 Pratt Ave, (915) 855-9673
•Roseanne Rodriguez, 5628 Rosa, (915) 219-9469
•Arves Automotive, 10105 Dyer, (915) 751-9171
•Nacho Padilla, 340 Alvarez Drive, (915) 309-1899
•The Blimp, 1301 Texas Street

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